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So you're saying what would happen if I went back to 1999 or something and killed myself? Now, would I be killing my future self (which is present at this time now) or would I be committing suicide with my 1999 self? If I was killing my future self, my answer would have to be I will be arrested for murder. If I was in my 1999 self committing suicide, my answer would be that a 9 year old is too young to have suicidal thoughts.....or even murderous thoughts for that matter...

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What was so tough about this question?

...the obvious answer here is death, right?


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LolWut.

Id be dead?

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You'd spend eternity in hell trying to solve every paradox ever created.

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Quote: from obvious child at 6:41 am on July 22, 2008

You'd spend eternity in hell trying to solve every paradox ever created.

Which would be a dull punishment if hell were outside the realms of logic. Which let's be honest, it probably would be.

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You would continue living in that time period.

By coming back in time you've already created a new reality, one in which you exist as a, say, 20 year old, and one in which you are 8.

By killing that 8 year old, you've likely become a wanted person and you've created grief for your parents, but you wouldn't "disappear". The future would be different. Everything that you've influenced: waiting in line at the coffee house, getting that promotion over Bob, etc. will all change, and so the new reality will be slightly different.

Saying that you will "disappear" is silly. You do not exist in the future any more. It is a FACT that the time-line in which you went through a time machine and back to when you were 8 years old happened. But you now EXIST in a new one, one where the person who will grow up to be you, has died.
All this means is that, were you to not interfere with yourself, the timeline would play itself out the same way.

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 8:17 am on July 22, 2008

You would continue living in that time period.

By coming back in time you've already created a new reality, one in which you exist as a, say, 20 year old, and one in which you are 8.  

By killing that 8 year old, you've likely become a wanted person and you've created grief for your parents, but you wouldn't "disappear". The future would be different. Everything that you've influenced: waiting in line at the coffee house, getting that promotion over Bob, etc. will all change, and so the new reality will be slightly different.

Saying that you will "disappear" is silly. You do not exist in the future any more. It is a FACT that the time-line in which you went through a time machine and back to when you were 8 years old happened. But you now EXIST in a new one, one where the person who will grow up to be you, has died.  
All this means is that, were you to not interfere with yourself, the timeline would play itself out the same way.


finly a good anwser. Ok, i total see what your saying and i agree with it, exept if you kill past self, how do you grow up to come back to kill yourself?

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 8:17 am on July 22, 2008

You would continue living in that time period.

By coming back in time you've already created a new reality, one in which you exist as a, say, 20 year old, and one in which you are 8.  

By killing that 8 year old, you've likely become a wanted person and you've created grief for your parents, but you wouldn't "disappear". The future would be different. Everything that you've influenced: waiting in line at the coffee house, getting that promotion over Bob, etc. will all change, and so the new reality will be slightly different.

Saying that you will "disappear" is silly. You do not exist in the future any more. It is a FACT that the time-line in which you went through a time machine and back to when you were 8 years old happened. But you now EXIST in a new one, one where the person who will grow up to be you, has died.  
All this means is that, were you to not interfere with yourself, the timeline would play itself out the same way.


finly a good anwser. Ok, i total see what your saying and i agree with it, exept if you kill past self, how do you grow up to come back to kill yourself?

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Quote: from PotPom at 9:30 am on July 22, 2008

Quote: from Event Horizon at 8:17 am on July 22, 2008

You would continue living in that time period.  

 By coming back in time you've already created a new reality, one in which you exist as a, say, 20 year old, and one in which you are 8.  

 By killing that 8 year old, you've likely become a wanted person and you've created grief for your parents, but you wouldn't "disappear". The future would be different. Everything that you've influenced: waiting in line at the coffee house, getting that promotion over Bob, etc. will all change, and so the new reality will be slightly different.  

 Saying that you will "disappear" is silly. You do not exist in the future any more. It is a FACT that the time-line in which you went through a time machine and back to when you were 8 years old happened. But you now EXIST in a new one, one where the person who will grow up to be you, has died.  
 All this means is that, were you to not interfere with yourself, the timeline would play itself out the same way.


finly a good anwser. Ok, i total see what your saying and i agree with it, exept if you kill past self, how do you grow up to come back to kill yourself?


you don't. You already have.

The point is that time is linear [at least subjectively]. You've lived that time. It happened. You grew up, found a time machine, went back in time, and killed yourself. you've prevented this from happening again, since you can no longer grow up to go back in time, but the fact that it happened is evident. You now live in a new time-line. I doubt that you could travel into the future into the same time-line that you came from, but you could continue living in the past.

The point is, though, when you were going "back in time" you didn't rewind time. YOU traveled forward in time, to a place that had already happened. There was no time reversal, no last words of "hope this works" turned into, "skrow siht epoh". You traveled forward in your own time and wound up in a place that you would consider "the past".

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hmm. well very nice.

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I assume, then, that you understand it, and that it makes reasonable sense?

I only ask because I am scripting a paper on paradoxes and time-travel practicality called The Grandfather Paradox: Could it be Paradox Prevention?
And I want to see if my ideas are understood.

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yea that makes sence and it is logical.

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